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The Leader Learner Podcast

The Leader Learner Podcast

Theresa Destrebecq & Vincent Musolino

The Leader Learner podcast is for passionate leaders who believe that continuing to learn and practice our people and connection skills is necessary to influence and lead others in the most effective way. This podcast is brought to you by Vincent Musolino, leadership trainer, coach, and consultant and founder of COAPTA, and Theresa Destrebecq, facilitator, coach and community kickstarter, and founder of Emerge Book Circles. Join us as we discuss books, learning, and leadership between ourselves and our guests. Learning. Leading. People. Passion. Business.

49 - S03E14 Is Theresa a Sexist Episode?
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  • 49 - S03E14 Is Theresa a Sexist Episode?

    Check-In: What's giving you hope right now? 

    Big Ideas:

    What constitutes inequity?When your unbelonging can connect you with other people who feel unbelongingGender equity issues not coming up in some leadership trainings Cultural and country differences in gender equityCalling out misogynistic jokes - Should I? Context dependent?"isms" as part of the air we breathe - it's conditioned into usCreating the system and benefitting from it - are they separateUnconscious bias that comes out in small ways as a parentIs awareness enough to change behavior? If we are all sexist, does that make the word meaningless?Sexists are actively causing harm...???Sexism is mostly unintentional - men don't even know it's sexistWhat do we call people who are functioning in patriarchy in unconscious ways, but still causing harm?The myth of meritocracy Meritocracy - achievement is based solely on your skillsBlind assessments to even things outPerformance review differences between men and womenTransparent data and decisions on manager, causing inequities to even outBe internally transparent with income differencesWomen tend not to negotiate their salaries, but they will negotiate on the behalf of othersWomen less likely to nominate themselves for promotionsAsking women to be like men doesn't workDouble bind - not assertive enough, not seen as a leader, too assertive, seen as being bitchyAnger as a man is okay, being sad/emotional as a man is associated with weaknessExpectations in our gender rolesWhen there's no problem, there's no data usuallyBelieving you are objective, makes you more likely to be sexist. Thinking of the behavior separate from the identity

    Resources:

    Invisible Women by Caroline Criando Perez 

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    Wed, 10 Apr 2024
  • 48 - S03E13 The Story I'm Telling Myself Episode

    Check-In:

    Which projects give you energy?

    Big Ideas:

    3 skills that lead to successful groups: building safety, sharing vulnerability, establishing purposecohesive groups - telling stories and reminding one another what they stand formurmuration - how birds move togetherusing small signals to link the present moment to the future idealorganizations that don't have a purpose, mission, vision, etc. the challenge of extracting a purposehow to detect weak signals and act on themgoing through the motions of purpose - some people feel it's not worthwhile"What's the purpose of having a purpose?" Purpose is a higher order construct - something you can build everything else aroundIf there are no words, there's no knowledgePurpose seems too impractical - not actionable, practical enoughCultural differences in focusing on cultureA tool without a purpose is just an object.Leadership without purpose doesn't serve anyoneYou can pivot around a purpose, and shift your business structureDon't sell changeWhen companies focus their purpose around a story or stories, it can motivate employees in a new wayHaving a clear beacon of purposeWhat can organizations do to re-engage employees? Is story enough?Belief that narratives only apply to children and politicians Stories are a way to make groups work together - story-telling goes back thousands of yearsAny good story has conflict and strong emotion -- some organizations still try to separate emotions from workHow to help people identify the stories that they are telling themselves? Once you identify the story, you can change the storyHow stories drive our emotional world.Our brains want to close the loop, so we make up the rest of the story so we can move on - a necessary evolutionary deviceBeing in the matrix and not knowing you are in the matrixLeading for Proficiency (being the lighthouse) - establishing priorities and connected behaviorsLeading for Creativity (being the ship's engineer, not the captain) - safe flat, high-candor environment, not about how toWhat's your leadership purpose?Transactional versus transformational leadershipThe leader's job isn't to motivate others, but to create conditions for people to be motivated


    Resources:

    The Culture Code, by Daniel CoyleStart with Why Simon SinekFind Your Why, Simon SinekAdam Grant

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    Wed, 27 Mar 2024
  • 47 - S03E12 The Intentional Flexibility Episode (with Lisa Davidian)

    Check-In: 

    Do think the best time of your life is in the past, present, or future

    Big Ideas:

    flexibility in work schedules - what do we need to do sothe equipment that supports remote workingshifting mindsets around traditional ways of workingshifting schedules to accommodate global clientssense of freedom in being able to shift your scheduleflexing people's pay to allow for flexible schedulesBe present, be equipped, be allowedCompressed work week - had to create the modelKeeping people engaged after 30+ years in the corporate worldEmpowering people to have balance and to grow in new waysEmployees feel energized and motivated when they have a larger fulfilledNeed for new working models to offer employees Younger generation doesn't want the traditional 9-5, 5 days a weekCovid has shifted us into new ways of thinking about how we work and where we workCan flexibility work for manufacturing, and other hands-on type of work?Hesitation to allow flexible schedulesCreation can happen NOT sitting in front of the computerCompanies are losing good people if they don't offer flexibilityUsing co-working spaces for networking and shifting perspectives and interacting across-organizationsHow do I lead remotely?  How can we support leaders to build trusting teams remotely? How to facilitate meetings remotely so that people can feel that connection?The small moments of trust building,, in person, can't be as easily transferred to online spaces.Making connection the primary intention of all gatheringsIntention, Execution, Results - Observe what is happening in your meetingsFocus on how people want to feel at the end of a session - the doing happens as a result of the feeling (fulfilled, energized, inspired, motivated, engaged, supported, etc...)Making sure that everyone has a voice in whatever way that voice wants to be heardNot micro-managing people's time and checking their online status when working remotelyWhen people speak in the first 5 minutes of the call, they end up speaking more throughout the meetingThe relationship between trust and empowermentWhat's preventing leaders from trusting their employees?We want engaged employees, but we don't create engagement in the meetingsMeeting etiquette and expectations -- different practices across organizations, regions, countriesLess moments to sync outside of meetings when we are remote - more presence needed in online meetingsWhat kind of leader does your company need you to be?In our fast-paced world, are we giving space for people to BEMessaging around productivity and efficiency and how it impacts people Separating your ego from your leadershipSelf-reflection as the key to good leadership


    Resources Mentioned:

    The Extended Mind, by Annie Murphy Paul

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    Thu, 14 Mar 2024
  • 46 - S03E11 The Chess and Checkers Episode

    Check-In: 

    If you could live anywhere, where would you live and why?

    Big Ideas: 

    when books make leadership seem easy, when it's not5 elements that every team needs to function well together, written as a pyramidusing books as a guide can lead us down the wrong pathThe 5 Dysfunctions are: Absence of Trust, Fear of Conflict, Lack of Commitment, Avoidance of Accountability, and Inattention to ResultsLencioni is anti-consensusCan people have results without trust? (example - the Chicago Bulls of the 1990's)Trusting someone's character and capabilitiesPeer review of modelsBooks can be seeds of discussion, but not guides for team performanceComponents of trust, and signs when trust is absentTrust not being valued by a manager - it being seen as too "fluffy"Does the importance of trust depend on the type of team you are within the organization? If everyone's competing for the CEO's job, how can you trust those you work with?Power in organizations - the individual versus the groupHow can one be political without being egotistical?Politics is making your power concrete. It's not bad or good in nature. It's a tool.What am I applying my politics for?Playing the game without playing the game. Being aware of the game and playing it for the good of the company.We teach people NOT to play politics at work, and then they get into organizations where people are all playing different gamesWhen people suffer when they don't know the rules of the game they are playingPlay the game to be a successful contribution to the organizationBelief that good people don't politics - it's not the tool, it's what you do with them that mattersCan you win the fight being a good, upstanding person?Power is largely due to the collective sum of all the relationships you have within an organization. Fear driven relationships aren't relationships - they are transactional Choosing NOT to play the game, can be seen as more ethical

    Resources:

    The 5 Dysfunctions of a Team by Patrick LencioniAmy Edmondson and Psychological SafetyEdgar Shein and Psychological SafetyMaslow's Hierarchy of Needs


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    Wed, 28 Feb 2024
  • 45 - S03E10 The Trombone Leadership Episode

    Check-In:

    How did you spend your summer breaks as a child?

    Big Ideas:

    How do you know when connection exists in a group?The importance of having care/connection when giving feedbackConnection is not the same as relationshipFeel a connection to someone without a relationshipA relationship can exist without fully knowing someoneTrusting character versus trusting someone's competenciesTrust: Competence, Kindness, ReliabilityBRAVING Model of Trust (Brené Brown): Boundaries, Reliability, Accountability, Vault, Integrity, Non-Judgment, GenerosityIntent doesn't always match impact - can care about someone and still hurt themCreating more intention when giving feedbackBeing unkind versus the perception of being unkindDoes kindness have a place in business?We choose complacency and kindness can cross over -  we don't give feedback when it's needed because we know it will hurtWhen is too much too muchConnecting just enough to do my job wellHow much is too much connecting as a leader?Do people want their leaders to know about them? Connecting with people to be strategic/manipulative rather than humanDo we need to know the in and outs of our teams to be a good leader?Shifting connecting depending on the individual needs of your teamDo we need to manage the perceptions of others on our team?You don't have to ask, but you have to listenPeople on our teams have different attachment stylesIs it too much to have to adapt/chameleon to our teams needs?Ask people what they expect from you and set boundaries Accompanying our team membersAccompanying and giving the infrastructure to othersHaving clear expectations and the same map means we don't need to be as connectedConnection is needed to set expectations and create the map togetherIs connection turning into the solution to all of our leadership problems?None of us has a map of where our business goes, so connection support usCommon understandings of what you need to be doing and then you can improvisePull back from connection as being "the answer" to your leadership issuesKnowing information can share that you careThe little things are important to othersWhy are you connecting?What's the "right" amount of connection with our teams?


    Resources:

    The Speed of Trust, Stephen CoveyBRAVING Inventory, Brené BrownHow to Know A Person, by David Brooks

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    Wed, 14 Feb 2024
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