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Tova O’Brien hosts Stuff’s political podcast holding the powerful to account and putting the concerns of real people front and centre. With regular guests Andrea Vance, picking the winners and losers of the week in Snakes and Leaders, and Luke Malpass, calling key moments for the coming week in Beehive Buzz. You can read analysis supporting this podcast on stuff.co.nz. Need more great podcasts? Check out Stuff's full catalogue here. GET IN TOUCH Email tova@stuff.co.nz. CREDITS Host and producer: Tova O'Brien. Senior journalist and producer: Aaron Dahmen. Sound design, audio editing and mixing: Connor Scott and John Ropiha. Executive producer: Chris Reed.
- 43 - The return of the alternative coalition
In the white heat of last year’s coalition negotiations, when none of the party leaders would talk about their top-secret meetings, we convened an alternative. We brought together a senior figure connected with each of the three parties poised for power. You loved the show, and they were prescient in their predictions, so, six months into the Government’s term, and with its first Budget looming, we’re bringing it back, albeit with a reshuffle in personnel. Chris Finlayson (National), Heather Roy (ACT) and Tau Henare (NZ First, and National) analyse the PM’s performance, policy priorities and party dynamics - including some surprising takes on whether the coalition can survive. Then Andrew Little (Labour) offers the view from the left.
Thu, 02 May 2024 - 42 - ‘Children will be worse off’: Oranga Tamariki and the Treaty
Section 7AA: A small part of a big law causing an enormous legal and political fracas. Former Children’s Minister Tracey Martin oversaw the introduction of the Oranga Tamariki Act. She explains why it remains enlightened legislation and why children will suffer if the Government completes its plan to repeal it. She also talks job cuts at the child protection agency, having her work undermined by her old boss Winston Peters and the prospect of a political comeback.
Thu, 25 Apr 2024 - 41 - Mortgage misery: How we got here and where we’re going
After our bumper mortgage episode 'Home discomforts: living on the edge', all about the people affected by interest rates hikes and the cost of living, we wanted to explore the issue even further. We drill into the state of the property market with a property economist and find out what the change of government could mean for first-time buyers and investors. We also sit down with former Reserve Bank Governor Dr Alan Bollard to better understand the thinking that drives the decisions which determine our interest rates.
Thu, 18 Apr 2024 - 40 - Home discomforts: life on the edge
Interest rates and mortgage misery - the number of people falling behind on their payments has hit a four-year high. With the Government promising to help the so-called squeezed middle in its looming first Budget, we explore the issue from every angle: the property owners forced into life-changing decisions; a money adviser; the Finance Minister in charge of that Budget; and an extended interview with the chief executive of one of our big five banks.
Thu, 18 Apr 2024 - 39 - Claims that Winston Peters hadn’t been given media cabinet paper “bullshit” - source
This is an audio version of Tova O'Brien's analysis piece titled Claims that Winston Peters hadn’t been given media cabinet paper “bullshit” - source, from stuff.co.nz
Fri, 12 Apr 2024 - 38 - Tova and Christopher Luxon
Off the back of our exclusive interview with former Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison, which featured on the podcast this week, we caught up with Prime Minister Christopher Luxon to get his view on whether New Zealand should review our nuclear-free policy to ensure it’s fit for purpose after Morrison suggested it’s worth a look. Tova also grilled the Prime Minister on the mystery surrounding Broadcasting Minister Melissa Lee’s media support cabinet paper.
Fri, 12 Apr 2024 - 37 - An exclusive interview with ScoMo
In Wellington for meetings of a powerful global group of centre-right politicians, former Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison talks New Zealand’s possible admission to the elite Aukus alliance, our nuclear-free policy, China versus the US, Donald Trump, his relationships with Christopher Luxon and Dame Jacinda Ardern - and just how angry the 501 deportations made her.
Thu, 11 Apr 2024 - 36 - The great wealth debate - Limitarianism v Libertarianism
How much money is too much? We talk to the political philosopher who says Limitarianism - essentially a cap on the rich - is the way to a better world. Internationally, critics have dismissed the idea as “claptrap” and avowed Libertarian David Seymour agrees. He offers the counterview in this fascinating debate. Plus, the incredible numbers that demonstrate how little police pay has kept pace with inflation.
Thu, 28 Mar 2024 - 35 - Police, pay and protest
In this bonus shortcast, we break out our package on the latest in the police pay dispute. We hear from cops on the frontline, put their stories to the PM and reveal exclusive new details about how many Kiwi officers are desperate to skip the Ditch for more lucrative roles in the Aussie force.
Thu, 21 Mar 2024 - 34 - Tovawamba: Peters versus the punks
It’s the full story of Chumbawamba-gate, including an exclusive interview with a founding member of the band on the prospect of legal action against New Zealand First and their ongoing fight for control over which politicians can - and can’t - use their music. Plus - the police pay dispute and perception among officers that they’re being taken for granted by the Government. We put questions to the PM and get the feeling from the frontline.
Thu, 21 Mar 2024 - 33 - An interview with Prime Minister Christopher Luxon
This week we received an eleventh-hour opportunity for a short interview with the Prime Minister. On the agenda during his visit to Central Districts Field Days: police pay, tax cuts, Ruby Tui and his political value judgements. Oh, and we heard his verdict on the conversation too.
Thu, 14 Mar 2024 - 32 - Seymour talks tax
This week we had a long conversation with ACT leader David Seymour about his ideological position on wealth and tax. That was for a specially themed episode of the podcast, coming very soon. We also took the chance to ask him some policy questions - about the tax rebate for landlords, whether the Government is on track to keep its tax cut promises and how they might incorporate ACT’s tax policy into that plan. Because that’s been in the headlines this week, we thought we’d share that section as a shortcast. This is it.
Wed, 13 Mar 2024 - 31 - America's 'orange wrecking-ball'
Super Tuesday supercharged Donald Trump's drive for another term in the White House. Anthony Scaramucci, the White House communications director Trump fired after just 11 days, joins us from New York to explain why he’s backing Biden in America’s “hour of peril”. And CNBC senior political correspondent Kevin Breuninger analyses the primary results. Plus, back home, Andrea Vance and Luke Malpass assess the Government's first 100 days.
Thu, 07 Mar 2024 - 30 - 'Everyone deserves to live in dignity'
This week's podcast investigates our emergency housing crisis. As promised at the end of the show, here's Tova's full interview with the mother who gave us a frontline perspective.
Sun, 03 Mar 2024 - 29 - Blood, faeces, vomit and cockroaches - inside Aotearoa’s emergency housing crisis
Almost 6500 people live in emergency motels, nearly half of them children. One mother, who needs short-term help through no fault of her own, offers a frontline perspective after rejecting a filthy motel, and questions whether vulnerable people are expected to settle for whatever they’re given. We track down the motelier and get the inside running from the Government on their plans for emergency housing.
Thu, 29 Feb 2024 - 28 - Our precious: Movies, money and maintaining Sir Peter Jackson’s legacy
It’s 20 years since Kiwi cinema’s greatest night, when the final film in the Lord of the Rings trilogy won 11 Oscars. Two decades on, the film sector contributes more than $3.5 billion to the economy each year and directly employs almost 14,000 people. But is it still one industry to rule them all? On this week’s pod we talk to industry powerbrokers and learn the fate of the government’s screen rebate scheme.
Thu, 22 Feb 2024 - 27 - Purple reign: Should the blue and red parties combine for an unstoppable coalition?
There's criticism that the tails are wagging the big dog in the coalition Government. And, with $1.2 billion wasted on Three Waters, and an influx of other infrastructure issues in the Government in-box, is it time to consider a different way of doing things? Could a grand coalition between National and Labour pave the way for better planning and stop smaller parties wielding disproportionate power? We learn the lessons of history from an international expert and see if ex-ministers from the big two can find (more) common ground. Plus, the brilliant Andrea Vance literally goes to the end of the earth for a very special report.
Thu, 15 Feb 2024 - 26 - Wairua, waiata and wero: On the ground(s) for Waitangi 2024
With Māori leaders' distrust of the government at levels unseen since the Foreshore and Seabed legislation two decades ago, the leaders of the coalition faced a fierce examination at the annual commemorations of the signing of Te Tiriti O Waitangi. From the wonderful winterless north, Tova brings you the full story of one of the most significant Waitangi weekends for many years.
Tue, 06 Feb 2024 - 25 - Politics is back for 2024, and so is Tova!
The pod returns next week with a very special episode from Waitangi - and Māori distrust of the government higher than at any point since the foreshore and seabed legislation 20 years ago. We'll be bringing you the latest from the commemorations of the signing of Te Tiriti O Waitangi, including interviews with key political players, expert analysis and, of course, celebrating Te ao Māori.
Wed, 31 Jan 2024 - 24 - Our ho-ho-hopes for Christmas
We're easing into the holiday period by asking some of our political heavyweights what they're giving Kiwis for Christmas. Plus, Tova recaps the tumultuous year that was, and Stuff political editor Luke Malpass predicts what to expect in 2024.
Thu, 14 Dec 2023 - 23 - Protests and principles: Te Tiriti under the new Government
The relationship between Māori and the Government is at its most strained since the Foreshore and Seabed dispute two decades ago. In a week marked by protests across the country and controversy on day one of the 54th Parliament, we talk to Waitangi National Trust chair and iwi leader Pita Tipene, and new Treaty Negotiations Minister Paul Goldsmith, about the Government's Māori policy agenda.
Thu, 07 Dec 2023 - 22 - Up in smoke: The end of NZ’s world-first smokefree laws
To smokefree or not smokefree? That is the question our guests grapple with on the pod this week, as the world reacts to the shock decision by our new Government to repeal legislation that would have phased out cigarette sales in New Zealand. We talk to a public health professor who offers an evidence-based debunking of the justifications offered by the new National-led Government - and the consultant involved in a report that rejected Labour's case for introducing the laws in the first place. Plus, Labour health spokesperson Ayesha Verrall let’s rip, the new health minister's apparently shifting stance and the campaigning teen who wants our leaders to protect his community from nicotine.
Thu, 30 Nov 2023 - 21 - Done deal: The announcement in full
The speeches of Christopher Luxon, David Seymour and Winston Peters at the ceremony to confirm New Zealand's first coalition government featuring three partners in Cabinet.
Thu, 23 Nov 2023 - 20 - Why the deal took so long - the sticking points, explained
The wait for a coalition agreement goes on. But whatever the deal, the major sticking points cut to the heart of what makes our modern democracy. From tax and the Treaty to the relationship between the PM and their Deputy, even judicial independence, this is big picture stuff. So we invited some big brains to explain why it all matters - and point out some potential pitfalls for Christopher Luxon and co.
Thu, 23 Nov 2023 - 19 - Under the axe: What next for the public sector?
With all three coalition partners railing against bloated bureaucracy, more than 60,000 core public servants might well be wondering what the new government means for job security. In this episode, exclusive news of looming redundancies in one department, an interview with someone working at another large agency about what it’s like being a political football and invaluable insights from our former top public servant Iain Rennie.
Thu, 16 Nov 2023 - 18 - Working with Winston
When you want to predict the future, sometimes it pays to look to the past - especially when Winston Peters continues to be one of our most influential political figures, more than four decades after entering Parliament. So, we talked to Jim Bolger and Helen Clark - two Prime Ministers who worked with Winston in Government. We wanted a steer on what he’s like, how he negotiates - and what Christopher Luxon should be wary of.
Thu, 09 Nov 2023 - 17 - 'No headless chook behaviour!' Helen Clark on the future of Labour
During a late-night call to Toronto, Tova gets the former three-time Prime Minister's take on Labour's 2023 drubbing - and whether Chris Hipkins is the right person to take on National at the next election.
Wed, 08 Nov 2023 - 16 - The alternative coalition talks
Who needs the oh-so-quiet leaders of the political parties vying to form a government? After some intense negotiations (completed in a day or two - just saying), we’ve summoned our very own official unofficial alternative coalition of National, ACT and NZ First former leadership to give you the inside running, the scoop, the tea - or at least the most informed outsider takes we could find - on the coalition talks. Powerhouse political panellists Simon Bridges, Heather Roy and Ron Mark join Tova to talk parliamentary relationships, egos, the baubles of office and whether National's tax plans can survive.
Thu, 02 Nov 2023 - 15 - Israel and Palestine: '3000 years in a nutshell'
Last week's pod focused on the situation in Israel and Palestine. We spoke to former CNN correspondent Arwa Damon and historian and former Israeli ambassador to the United States, Michael Oren. This is a bonus, previously unreleased excerpt from our interview with Michael - a kind of potted history of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, or what he called “about 3000 years in a nutshell”.
Mon, 30 Oct 2023 - 14 - The Endless War
In this episode, we're turning our focus to the war in Israel and Gaza. Tova is joined by former CNN senior international correspondent Arwa Damon who urges all of us (especially the media) not to oversimplify what is an extraordinarily complicated story. Tova also speaks with Michael Oren, a renowned historian who is also a former Israeli Ambassador to the United States. He joins us from Tel Aviv, where he is living out of a bomb shelter. A warning - this episode contains discussion about war, war crimes and other content that may disturb. Please take care while listening.
Thu, 26 Oct 2023 - 13 - Pre-recorded live from Poliwood - the inaugural triennial Poli Awards
At last, the moment some of you may have been waiting for, Aotearoa’s most potentially prestigious political ceremony: The first of at least one Poli Awards. Or, as they’re affectionately known in Poliwood, The Polis. Join host Tova O'Brien and a cast of national treasures, including Sir John Key, Helen Clark, Paddy Gower and Tom Sainsbury, for a glittering extravaganza honouring those who made a lasting impact on 2023's battle of the ballot box.
Thu, 19 Oct 2023 - 12 - The podcast after the night before
With the dust settling on election night, National and ACT are still weighing up whether they need Winston Peters and New Zealand First to confirm an durable coalition. Tova talks to big hitters from the six key parties and hears fears over civil unrest amid the celebrations.
Sun, 15 Oct 2023 - 11 - Campaign '23: The highlights in soundbites
Still weighing up where to stick your ticks? Allow Tova's resident audio wizard Connor Scott to assist. He's compiled some highlights - and quite possibly lowlights - from the campaign trail. Happy voting!
Fri, 13 Oct 2023 - 10 - The kingmaker rides again
With Winston Peters timing his race down the home straight like a political thoroughbred, all bets appear off for those hoping for a decisive election result on the night. Labour campaign chair Megan Woods and her National counterpart Chris Bishop discuss their parties' efforts on the trail, and how Peters was able to get back in the saddle.
Thu, 12 Oct 2023 - 9 - JH Aotearoa and Greg Fleming
Tova talks to National Party candidate Greg Fleming about JH Aotearoa, the Christian camp/adventure experience he founded, and the views of its original founding organisation JH Ranch California. The US organisation's statement of faith now says homosexuality is a “sinful perversion”, listed alongside sex with animals or a relative.
Fri, 06 Oct 2023 - 8 - Left turn
Race-based allegations, more candidate Twitter woes and a "bonkers" coup conspiracy theory rebutted. After talking to National's possible coalition partners last week, it's the turn of the Greens and Te Pāti Māori. Respective co-leaders James Shaw and Debbie Ngarewa-Packer also explain why they're confident of getting a wealth tax past Chris Hipkins.
Thu, 05 Oct 2023 - 7 - Racist or out of context?
Comments by New Zealand First candidate Rob Ballantyne were described as racist by both Chrises in the Newshub leaders' debate. In his only interview since, Ballantyne told Tova the comments were taken out of context. Here's the full interview, and the speech they were from.
Fri, 29 Sep 2023 - 6 - Coalitions, chaos, culture wars and conspiratorial candidates
With polls predicting that Winston Peters will - once again - hold the whip hand after election day, ACT leader David Seymour and NZ First's Shane Jones are pushed on how the parties could possibly work together in government - given they can’t stand each other - and what they're doing about conspiratorial candidates. Warning: A short section discusses mental health and suicide. For free help, text or call 1737, 24 hours.
Thu, 28 Sep 2023 - 5 - Maddie's legacy - fixing our mental health crisis
Sixteen-year-old Maddie Hall died in March this year after more than 100 visits to hospitals and A&Es. Her death is a suspected suicide. Her parents Gareth and Leanne share Maddie's story in the hope of changes to our broken mental health system. Warning: Discusses mental health and suicide. For free help, text or call 1737, 24 hours.
Thu, 21 Sep 2023 - 4 - Quick and dirty quickfire #1
There are two serious contenders vying to be the next finance minister. Would they land you with a meat tax, a sugar tax, a capital gains tax, a tax-free income threshold? We hit Labour’s Grant Robertson and National’s Nicola Willis with a quick and dirty round of tax attack quickfire.
Thu, 14 Sep 2023 - 3 - The next finance minister
It’s the cost of living election, so who do you trust to make things better? Tova interviews the two candidates for the job, asking Grant Robertson to defend his legacy and Nicola Willis to explain her promises.
Thu, 14 Sep 2023 - 2 - An extended interview with Prime Minister Chris Hipkins
Prime Minister/Labour leader Chris Hipkins is in the studio for an extended interview on key election issues, broken promises and a revelation about his party's internal polling.
Thu, 07 Sep 2023 - 1 - Introducing Tova
Introducing Stuff's whip-smart new political podcast, hosted by Tova O'Brien and featuring Luke Malpass and Andrea Vance.
Fri, 01 Sep 2023
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