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Kate and Doree dig into finding community IRL through game nights. Then, they hear from a new parent who feels shamed for getting sleep, discuss the looming changes in recommendation culture, and debate when you should wash your face after work.

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Doree has another great en-Doree-sment of a nail product and Kate is stoked to try it. Then, they talk with multi-hyphenate Franchesca Ramsey (you might know her as @Chescaleigh) about the beauty of a good foot rub, the social media app you shouldn’t sleep on, the way her online presence has changed over the years, and feeling the most like herself at forty.

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This is the tale of a family business becoming the fast food in fashion, and of provocative and very shocking ads. This is Benetton! Doree details to Kate the rise of the Benetton rugby shirt, how the brand became ubiquitous in the 80’s, and the Italian infrastructure their money is in today. 

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Dor & Kat wonder at the lack of comfort in American bathrooms and discuss solo podcasting, making important doctor’s appointments, and how technology sometimes makes things more annoying. 

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Doree is dealing with a serious sinus infection, while Kate is being influenced by her teen kid. Then, author and podcaster Jo Piazza joins them to chat about her new book The Sicilian Inheritance, the real-life murder mystery in her family that inspired the novel, the strange but exhilarating world of cold plunges, and falling down the rabbit hole of trad wives.

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Dor and Kat dig a little deeper into how important walks are for dogs' mental health, and then they discuss Kate's saved report cards and other papers from her childhood, Doree's terrible 5th grade teacher's latest business venture, and how it all kinda comes full circle. 

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Kate and Doree start a private detective agency and deal with a sinus infection and tennis elbow. Then, they chat about the friends who come and go over a short period of time, joining a classics book club, and moving past a long-term breakup. 

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This episode of The OC has so. many. plotlines! Summer and Seth remodel Marissa’s room, Jimmy and Sandy lose their liquor license the night of their restaurant opening, Luke announces he’s moving to Portland (but not before he gets in a major car accident!), and Cal proposes to Julie which throws nepo baby Kirsten for a loop. Plus, Kate and Doree discuss Seth’s sudden amazing artistic abilities, Cal being his usual monster-self and blackmailing Marissa, Luke’s wild behavior in this (and really every) episode, and how Jimmy somehow never notices two teens renovating a room in his condo. 

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Kat catches a cold and Dor has THOUGHTS on the royal picture scandal. Plus, they casually chat about the urge to buy things to be more minimalist, being out of the social media loop, grabbing that Trader Joe's kimbap, and finding the perfect carry-on. 

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Doree and Kate chat about the viral Trader Joe’s tote bag (among other viral TJ’s products). Then they hear from a listener about short-term friends with a long-term presence, another listener inadvertently life coaches Kat & Dor, and they discuss their the must-do’s when visiting Los Angeles.

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Kate tries a new skincare tool and Doree realizes she’s begun wearing shoes that are way too small. Then, author extraordinaire Sara Shepard (Pretty Little Liars, The Lying Game) joins them to chat about identifying as a “daytime person” and being an afternoon bather, keeping her career spicy through her prolific writing, and how mom communities and desert memories led to the writing of latest book Nowhere Like Home. 

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The self-referential meta episode of The OC has arrived. Summer stumbles upon an actor from her favorite show The Valley and manages to get the Newport gang all invited to a party at a club in LA. Between the party and the parents enjoying a restaurant meeting with meatloaf, psychoanalyzing Ryan’s need to save everyone, Paris Hilton’s cameo, Aunt Hailey’s secret career reveal, and Luke dramatically declaring he’s done sleeping with Julie Cooper within earshot of Marissa, Kate and Doree have a looooot to talk about. 

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Kate and Doree discuss following the lives of semi-strangers online for years, and then hear from listeners about feeling at home in your postpartum body, dealing with friends and infertility, and how to keep your cool when you're keeping it child-free. 

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The Sephora Teens have influenced Kate into researching the brand Drunk Elephant. She tells Doree all about the 6-degrees of "The Rachel," the origin story of the founder Tiffany Masterson and her Pretty Woman moment, the scandal of their vitamin C serum, and the growing tween phenomenon of the Skin Smoothie. 

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Kate and Doree chat about the trials and tribulations of warts, skin tags, and revisiting old hairstyles.  Then, they talk to comedian/writer/performer Mélia Mills about creating a hit musical while also juggling parenthood, her philosophy about the many jobs she’s had, and maintaining confidence as a creative. 

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The drama is drama-ing in episode 21 of The OC because Anna is leaving and Seth feels bad about it, Theresa is staying and Ryan feels confused about it, and the affair between Julie and Luke continues. Kate and Doree discuss Cal’s party where the teens and the adults all mix like the totally normal grown-up parties that all of us go to, Eddie possibly being the new Oliver, the fights that inevitably happen at Newport parties and, perhaps most titillatingly, which member of The OC is good in bed.

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Kate prepares for a haircut and Doree gets lucky in a buy-nothing group before they hear from listeners about super drying skin conditions, worrying about not fitting in at a fancy hotel, and the promise of a reunion romance trope.

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Kate and Doree get into the Cerave ad with Michael Cera, Kate's Boston accent fetish, regional foods and drinks that somehow end up a part of your identity, and celebrities named JoJo. 

[Please note: we recorded this before this article on JoJo Siwa came out. It's not great!]

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Kate gets a facial and Doree shares her current bedtime wind-down. Then, they invite Emily Farris on to chat about her new book (I‘ll Just Be Five More Minutes: And Other Tales from My ADHD Brain), navigating an ADHD diagnosis as an adult, divorce as a form of self-care, and how she developed her signature red lip.

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Let’s talk about the hair dryer! Doree tells Kate about how it started as a metal contraption you could connect to your vacuum or your gas stove pipe(!!) and evolved into the hand held hair dryer you know today. They also discuss the utility companies’ hand in this tools rise in popularity, how “the bob” played a part in the development of this tool, and why the technology of the bonnet dryer is making a comeback. It’s a boom of blowing technology!

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Kate and Doree talk about the Sephora teen panic and Stanley Cup craze, easy moisturizer recommendations, 5-minute makeup routines, and a listener's experience with a facial that caused a breakout. Plus: they have a new conspiracy theory about skincare containers!

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Dor & Kat chat about aging, Kate's time working for Oprah, how Doree met her husband, the nostalgia of the internet, and Doree's curiosity about her upcoming college reunion.  

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Kate learns something new about her body and Doree has a tire tale to tell. Then, they hear from listeners about the best way to switch bags easily, the tastiest oatmeal toppings, nice ways to ease into your early mornings, and the way listeners feel about “The Rachel” cut for Kate. 

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Kate and Doree are waving alllll the red flags to almost everything Oliver does in this episode. He is cuh-reepy and, for some reason, no one sees it except Ryan and Luke. They also discuss how Seth and Anna’s relationship has gotten to be peak cringe, the surprise of Ryan and Luke teaming up to find dirt on Oliver, and the “ugh” scene both Kate and Doree could barely watch. This episode is wild!

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This casual chat is full of gems! It starts with a convo about lab grown diamonds, a bit of chit chat about cursive and word processors and more in the middle, and wraps up with some Jason Kelce appreciation.

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Kate and Doree talk to Kate Kennedy (Be There in Five Podcast, One in a Millennial) about the significance of Millennials and the generation’s defining pop culture moments, online communities providing a sense of belonging, past and current obsessions that bring us joy and entertainment, and the importance of providing access to maternal and reproductive healthcare.

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Kate and Doree take a quiz to find out which OC characters they are before Oliver keeps Olivering, now with the added benefit of transferring to the same school as the rest of the gang. There’s also a very cringe new guy in town who happens to be Summer’s boyfriend, Ryan plays detective to Oliver’s suspicious stories and letters, and Julie tries a new career. And, Anna and Seth’s relationship continues to be weird! 

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Kate has a bonkers idea she shares with Doree that she’s been keeping a mystery! Then, they hear from listeners about their updated 5 minute makeup routines and the teens who can’t get enough of the Drunk Elephant ~aesthetic~, and try to help out a listener who is in a real pickle with their work organization.

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You know episode 16 of The OC is gonna be good when it STARTS with a barge-in! It’s the same plot devices, another episode though, and we have a trip to Palm Springs, a love triangle, and Summer making a ruckus. Kate and Doree wonder about who plays Jenga on a bed, Oliver’s wild and unruly behavior, Seth’s weird old man bit, and the parade of people holding red flags.

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Doree has a new prod she’s loving and Kate can’t wait to hear all the updates. Then, longtime dream guest Felicia Day joins them to talk about video games as self care, not giving up on the stories that matter to you, her fave sunscreen, and growing up with a plastic surgeon dad.

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Kate dives deep on the origins of the brand Clinique, how its dermatologist-developed products changed skincare forever, and how its products have found a new audience in Gen Z. 

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Kate and Doree wonder about the younger generation’s obsession with Drunk Elephant, and plan to do yoga in the new year. Then, they hear from listeners about an amazing Vaseline product, the ultimate scrunchie hack, and how to navigate a changing friendship.

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Hi Babies! We're taking a little break, but we've put together some clips of our favorite, fun, and interesting self-care routines that our guests have had over the years.

Please enjoy this "best of" episode and have a restful rest of your year!

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Kate and Doree reflect on their highlights from 2023, from parenting wins and social media breaks to doing “the work” in therapy. 

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What *isn't* happening in Newport Beach these days? This episode’s troublemakers are Kirsten’s sister Hailey, who is quickly outstaying her welcome at the Cohens’; and Oliver, Marissa’s friend who takes everyone to a Rooney concert. Between it all, Kate and Doree discuss how everyone else is inadvertently keeping Sandy and Kirsten from boning, Luke’s complete change in personality, and the joys of a basic cable TV show marathon.

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On this third to last Friday of the year, Dor & Kat casually chat about their sliding doors theory of friendship, emotionally (and digitally) haunting your own childhood home, and the prevalence of modeling schools for tween girls at the turn of the century. 

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Kate’s kids call her "cringe," and Doree dances up a Broadway storm. Then, all their podcast parasocial relationships merge when Becca Freeman, host of Bad On Paper and author of The Christmas Orphans Club, joins to talk about the healing power of an outdoor walk, the joy of putting everything you've got into creative projects, and allllll the romcom book recommendations your heart can handle. Plus: hair prods!

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It's New Year's Eve in The OC and things take a turn for the chaos. Sandy and Kirsten go to a swingers party, Ryan worries about his relationship with Marrisa, and Kirsten has a sister that really shows up with a bang. Kate and Doree talk about the game of swinger chicken Sandy and Kirsten play with each other, how it was easier to be incommunicado when someone was abroad in the 90’s and 00’s, the insanity of a last minute New Year’s Eve reservation in Newport Beach, and the absurdity of how quickly a TV house party becomes a rager.

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Kate’s got a new novel coming out in June (pre-order One Last Summer now!), and Doree’s donning her doctor hat to uncover another medical mystery. Then, Dear Prudence advice columnist Jenée Desmond-Harris joins the pod to answer listener questions and discuss the delicate nuance of giving advice, the joy of laying on the floor in front of a space heater, and a mind-blowingingly good (and cheap!) foundation.

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Doree reminds Kate of a time, just 25 years ago, when the options for buying beauty products were basically limited to the drugstore or department stores. Then, the very French, very chic Sephora we know and love came to the States. Doree and Kate discuss the surprising consumer hesitation of standalone beauty stores in the US, the brand’s massive growth during the 2008 recession, and the origins of the famous backlit black-and-white shelves.

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Kate is being targeted with “anti-aging” skincare ads and Doree discovers she actually does love a robot vacuum. Plus they answer questions from listeners about sharing your life on the internet, financial coaching, Gilmore Girls’ “free mug” energy, and how best to organize jewelry.

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It’s Chrismukkah in The OC, and these teens are being naughty and, well, mostly just naughty. Seth makes mix CDs and tries to date both Anna and Summer at the same time, Marissa shoplifts and sneaks booze into her mom’s very important party, and Ryan struggles to find that holiday spirit. Plus: mall talk, metaphors, forgotten storylines (where is Luke?), sexy Wonder Woman cosplay, and a new bad boy! 

Merry Chrismukkah from Newport Beach! 

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Kat & Dor have put together their recs and suggestions for the 2023 gifting season! From the latest in vinyl and delicious smelling candles to the cheapest stuff you can buy from fancy brands, there’s something here for everyone on your list…including yourself!

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Kate and Doree consider the times they may (or may not?) have been scammed before chatting with the Scam Goddess herself, Laci Mosley. They go deep into how to tell the difference between wellness and a scam, who and what makes a good scammer, the importance of building community, and how to best avoid being duped. 

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Secrets don’t keep friends… but do they keep drama! And, boy is there drama in episode 12 of The OC. Ryan and Luke have a school project that leads them to the discovery that Luke’s father is in a secret relationship. Kate and Doree talk about the rampant homophobia in The OC, Seth’s heart-felt and sincere apology, Julie and Jimmy’s sudden decision to sell their home, and Luke, Ryan, Marissa, and Seth bonding over their shared understanding of what it means to be a school pariah.

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Doree's got a new podcast! Welcome to Too Much Money, the podcast that wonders: Does being a billionaire make you crazy or do you need to be crazy to be a billionaire? Hosted by Doree and Jo Piazza. New episodes every Tuesday starting November 14! Subscribe now on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Kate and Doree discuss Paula’s Choice prods they love and answer listener questions about wardrobe apps, walking pads, and Vaseline as a makeup remover. Plus: a Pete Davidson discussion!

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Kate takes us to the sea with the lore, history, and ingredients behind Creme De La Mer, the iconic and exorbitantly expensive face cream. Created by a scientist in the 1960s to heal injuries sustained in a laboratory explosion, the story of Creme de la Mer involves fermented sea kelp, gurgling sounds played for months to enhance the product, and a psychic hired by Estee Lauder to commune with its dead founder. Plus, we dig into the comparison with “German Nivea” – is it really the same thing as Creme de la Mer, for hundreds of dollars less? 

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Kate and Doree discuss gratitude (and how to find it). Then they’re joined by writer and pop culture expert, Lindsey Weber, co-host of the Who Weekly podcast! They discuss current celebrity culture, her favorite whos and thems to follow, celebrity skincare and makeup products she’s tried, and her idea of the perfect amount of famous. 

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Much like the Thanksgiving turkey, this episode of The OC is stuffed full of goodness! Thanksgiving dinner is at the Cohens’ and it quickly devolves into chaos as more and more unexpected guests arrive. And after-school special style, Ryan steals a car for his brother who (let’s not forget) is in jail while Marissa tags along. In this generally very sweet holiday episode, Kate and Doree see the Cohens put their turkey in the oven way too late for dinner, Anna’s voice completely change, Rachel and Jimmy get set up, and some pretty aggressive business casual outfits.  

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If you’re in the market for some mascara, lip stain, blush, you name it, then, boy, are you in luck — because it’s Sephories Sale Time again! Check below for the dates of the sale, and listen here for Kat & Dor’s unbiased personal recs, wants, and gift ideas for this Sephora Sale Season! 

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Kate and Doree welcome the first ever Forever35 guest back to the podcast: The Dream host, Jane Marie! She reveals where the name Forever35 actually came from, the experiments she’s currently conducting with a red light device, her deep dive into the world of wellness and coaching on this season of The Dream, and her current favorite beauty products. 

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We’re trying something new today and experimenting with a Casual Chat — just the two of us, gabbing about all sorts of things. In this episode we get into: struggling with shopping, the frustrating madness of clothing sizes, how to measure clothes (from the crotch, baby!) and find a fit you like, a shocking revelation about Doree’s feet, and a hot lip gloss recc with a terrible name.

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Kate and Doree learn a thing or two about skincare brands from the youths and hear from listeners about how they talk to themselves about aging, the perfect wireless bra, why Yeti Ramblers should be a household mug, and learning to let go of checking your email first/last thing. 

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School is finally in session on The OC! This week, Sandy and Kirsten choose their phones over sex, Marissa plans yet another event, Seth works overtime to make Summer jealous, Anna wears a tube top over a long sleeve shirt, Ryan broods and rocks a 90’s tv mom haircut, and Luke comes around groveling yet again. Hard hitting questions and observations include: What is Law Firm Rachel’s deal, anyway? There’s too much slurpy kissing! Plus, we discover that Samaire Armstrong (Anna Stern) is now a right wing wannabe politician! The drama never ends in Newport. 

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We’re back for another special Q&A episode with our friend and podcast pro Jackie Johnson. And we’re getting vulnerable! (Again.) We discuss our decisions around having children, learning the hard lessons of making mistakes as podcasters on and off mic, our current self-care practices, and so much more. 

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Kate gets her first professional chemical peel and Doree tries a new, fancy skincare device before comedian and writer Aparna Nancherla joins them to chat about her new book Unreliable Narrator: Me, Myself and Impostor Syndrome. They go deep into what it’s like to get what you want but not feel like you deserve it, the joy of starting the day with a mini dance party, learning how to be engaged and informed without using social media, and loving the day-to-day rather than the end goal.

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Doree walks Kate through the world of Contempo Casuals where looking like yourself is looking your best! She explains how the store became pop culture shorthand, its ’70s commercials’ second-wave feminism vibe, and the brand’s short-lived recent renaissance as a nostalgic T-shirt company.

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Kate and Doree ponder what it means to be a parent of a young romance reader and the youthful expletive exuberance of Olivia Rodrigo’s new album. Then they hear from listeners about a tomato soup recipe, the elasticity of skin, work friends, and scheduling paralysis.

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Marissa’s mom tries to institutionalize her after her OD in Tijuana, but not if Ryan, Seth, and Summer can sneak her out of the hospital (as candy stripers?!)  first! This episode has giant tubs of margarine, streaky highlights and villain make-up, fish out of water themes, more doorbell drop-bys, the fundamental plot device of eavesdropping, a Costco mention, Doree’s analysis of 90’s “sex music.” and the introduction of Seth as a Horse Boy!

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Kate and Doree get to sit down with journalist Allison Davis to discuss her latest New York Magazine article about what happens when your friends start having kids. They also discuss how Allison became a writer for NY Mag and her process of profiling celebrities like Megan Markle, Cardi B, and Emily Henry.

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Ryan, Seth, Marissa, and Summer go on a trip to Tijuana where teenage partying and problems ensue. Plus: bad sex, big dick energy, terrible parenting, romance tropes, and an in-depth discussion about spring break trips! 

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You’re familiar with Glossier products, but do you know the hot gloss-ip behind them? Kate and Doree welcome journalist Marisa Meltzer on Forever35 to talk about her new book Glossy: Ambition, Beauty, and the Inside Story of Emily Weiss's Glossier, all about the brand’s enigmatic founder Emily Weiss, how Glossier went from go-to beauty blog to a millennial beauty brand success, and when it all took a turn.

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It’s Episode 6 of the OC and woof, are things getting cringey. Kirsten throws a party for her terrible, rich dad; Marissa gets back together with Luke, who takes his stupid necklace off to have sex, and Summer and Seth finally kiss. Everyone is terrible, and we can’t stop watching! Plus: we celebrate some classic early aughts fashion trends like LV clutches, pointy flats, and face-framing layers.

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Kate and Doree listen to beautiful singing voicemails and answer some listener questions — everything from what kind of bathing suit to wear when you might be allergic to Spandex to the things you can learn from your sex therapist friend. Plus, Kate is moved by the state of her friendships this year and Doree has some pop culture recs to share. 

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Well, it’s an episode all about the scam that is douching, and boy is it a doozy. Buckle up, friends, because we’ve got everything from Massengill’s poisoning scandal of the 1930s, the history of Lysol marketing itself as “feminine hygiene,” and high-end skincare lines currently selling vaginal serums and washes. Do YOU ever feel not so fresh? You will after listening to this episode! (But not for the reasons Massengill suggests in their ads.) 

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Put your listening ears on because Kate, Doree, and Jackie sit down for a very vulnerable and refreshing conversation about everything from job security and parasocial relationships to mom-guilt and what goes on behind closed podcast network doors. Plus, Jackie spills some hot tea about former Natch Beaut guests and beauty founders!

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The people are the worst, but the drama is… the best? This week in Newport Beach: Ryan starts working at a restaurant with “bad boy” Donnie who knows where the wild parties and hot hunnies are at. Marissa and Ryan almost get together, but never fear, Luke is there to spoil it. The adults continue to be poor role models for their kids. Plus: a mom spa day from hell, teens swimming fully-clothed, and cartoonishly trashed Range Rovers. It’s all par for the course in The O.C.!

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Kate and Doree bring Stylist for Regular People Sophie Strauss onto the pod to talk about how she purposefully became a stylist NOT for celebrities, the importance of playing dress up even as a busy adult, and why paying attention to how clothes make you feel can help you find your style. Plus, they reflect on what they’ve learned from this conversation and some of its very real life effects. 

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It’s time for the biggest party of the year! Again! In episode 4 of The OC, everyone attends the annual Cotillion Ball that’s super important but nobody has ever mentioned before, Seth continues to be surprised that women can have similar interests to his totallyniche and completelyunique personality, and Liz Phair is playing in the dressing room where Summer is for some reason stuck in just her bra again. Kate and Doree literally gasp out loud while watching this episode, so hold on to your fake tans because it gets wild in Newport this week!  

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Kate and Doree chat about email-free mornings, the seasons of sleep, and the power of the musical Rent.. Then, they hear from listeners about shopping for caftans, getting into records, and more real life, unbelievable anecdotes of free-mugging.

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Buckle up, Babies! It’s time for another Patron Q&A ep! Kate and Doree address some questions about how the pod-sausage gets made, whether the husbands will ever be invited back on the show, romance writing courses, and the aggressively targeted ads for an at-home laser hair removal tool. 

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Doree and Kate talk cheese, jet lag, and the underrated sun protection of an umbrella before talking to celebrated Peloton yoga teacher Dr. Chelsea Jackson Roberts. She speaks about setting boundaries, becoming a parent in your 40s, her yoga teaching journey, and how music inspires her classes.

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Here in the totally normal, small town of Newport, there’s a plate of baby carrots being served at dinner, a questionable casino night for teens, and moms wear THE pink velour tracksuit of the early aughts. In episode 3 of The OC, Ryan gets bailed out of juvie, his mom comes for a surprise visit, and all the money woes of the Cooper family get revealed. Kate and Doree talk about all this and the teeniest tiniest ’90s brows that are still around in ’03, how everyone in this town is kind of terrible, and how Seth can somehow just skateboard to the local jail to visit Ryan. 

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Kate is packing serums in her carry-on luggage while Doree is de-cluttering her beauty products. Then, they hear from listeners about Vaseline lovers, Henry’s tic-tac-toe games, and supporting a colleague through a devastating diagnosis.

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Come on over to our pad… our Stridex pad! Doree researches the grossest of ’60s and ’70s commercials to tell Kate how Stridex equally attacks both teenage boys and girls with their beauty culture ideals, how the product can also safely be used on both canine and feline acne, and why it’s making a comeback today.

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Kate and Doree bring back fan favorite Jackie Johnson for a third time! The Queen of Creams chats with them about her undying love of expensive creams, her zig-zagging path since moving to Hollywood, and why she thinks women should get a stipend, hunny! 

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We’re talking nepo-baby money. We’re talking felonious dads. And we’re definitely talking skunky, chunky highlights and Uggs. In episode 2 of the first season of The OC, Ryan runs away to keep from being put back into the system and Seth and Marissa hide him in a model home. Naturally! Kate and Doree chat through the terrible examples of communication set by all the parents, the first prod rec of the season, dangerous candlelit rooms, and a laughable lack-of boundaries between, well, everyone. 

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Kate has a quiet birthday and Doree has a not quiet vacation. Then, they talk about their current  pop culture picks for books, film and TV, and why they’re feeling a bit of that summertime sadness. 

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Ever wondered what Kate’s favorite noodle is or whether Doree’s had a Pina Colada made with the Pina Colada LiquidIV flavor? Or if their expectations for the Forever35 Patreon have been met? In this first Patron Q&A, they answer these questions and more, so settle in because things get personal!

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Kate and Doree take a tootle-oot down memory lane and share clips and memories from past pod convos, including coffee cup habits, butt care practices, and listener 5-minute makeup routines.

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It’s Season One, baby! Kate and Doree watch the pilot episode of The OC and the viewing is fresh, the takes are hot, and the fashion is a mess. Join them as they dive into the exceptional exposition, Ocean Spray’s cranberry bogs, teenage boys responding to the question “Who are you?” with “Whoever you want me to be,” and cell phones as an early aughts status symbol.

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Kate attempts to be more present and Doree refashions some sweatpants into her own cool travel pants. Then writer, entrepreneur, and philanthropic innovator Rachel Cargle joins the pod to discuss her new book A Renaissance Of Our Own, the distinction between being child-free and child-less, why she wrote her own manifesto, and the power of listening to the body’s request for more rest. 

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On this episode of Product Recall we time-travel back to the fall of 1994. Bill Clinton is President, grunge is peaking, America is reeling from the AIDS epidemic, and R.E.M. and Boyz II Men are at the top of the charts. In the middle of it all is CKOne: the zeitgeist-capturing, overpowering, unisex fragrance that represented the counterculture attitude of the decade. In this month’s Product Recall, Kate and Doree explore CKOne’s historical relevance, Calvin Klein’s eye for controversial advertising, and the scent’s cringe-worthy attempt at a comeback.

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Kate’s birthday is around the corner and she reflects on what it means to be middle-aged. Doree sees a pattern in her sleep (or lack of it) and what she does near bedtime. Plus, a discussion about “beauty shit we didn’t know, that everyone else knew,” and listener thoughts on press-on toenails and the power of Pond’s Cold Cream.

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Kate and Doree hear from listeners about more hot digital organization tips, finding the perfect retirement gift, and learning what Blue Mercury is. Plus, Kate has some real big feelings about remembering people’s names. 

This might be the last mini-ep as we know it, but they’ll still be answering your questions and hearing your thoughts on future episodes. So keep them coming!

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Let’s talk about the good, the bad, and the ugly side of friendships as an adult. Kate and Doree welcome writer, actor, comedian, and musician Lane Moore on the pod to chat about Lane’s new book about adult friendship, You Will Find Your People. They cover everything from where we get off thinking that friendships don’t require effort and work, to the significance and the effects of attachment styles in friendships. 

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Kate and Doree learn the polarizing difference between seltzer water, sparkling water, and club soda. Plus, they hear from listeners about birthday boudoir photoshoots, Glossier prods that have stood the test of time, and finding volunteer opportunities. 

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Come for the prod recs, stay for the toilet talk! Listeners send Kate and Doree the best raincoat recommendation, a question about facial laser treatments, and thoughts on a thong that’s more than 20 years old.

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CW: There is discussion of pregnancy loss, stillbirth, and grief in this episode.

Kate and Doree drop some fun news about the pod. (Spoiler alert: We’re launching a Patreon!) Then, Liz Glazer joins the convo to chat about how journaling inspired a career change from law professor to stand-up comedian, living vulnerably both on and off-stage, and how she and her wife navigated the loss of their daughter. 

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[Today is Juneteenth in the US, a holiday which commemorates the end of slavery and is also known as our second independence day. Take some time to learn more about it here.]

On today's mini-ep, listeners send in passionate messages wondering where all the women’s zippered joggers are, and how to deal with dry neck skin. Plus: free-mugging on a bike?!

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Kate and Doree hear from listeners about the ups and downs of reselling clothes online, when to dump a therapist, and why hot rolling hair may be the way to go. 

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Kate starts using a prod of the past and Doree begins her tooth whitening journey. Then, dermatologist and TikTok sensation Dr. Whitney Bowe joins them to discuss skin cycling, her sun protection tips and tricks, what happens to the gunk in your zit if you don’t pop it, and how to find a legit Botox practitioner.

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Kate and Doree ponder living in their middle-aged bodies and hear from listeners about free-mugging on a bus, a great soft pant rec, and how to start volunteering. Plus: some perfume chat!

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Kate trademarks the next self-care term and Doree wonders what it takes to make a better hat. Then, listeners bring up questions about setting boundaries with friends, play make-up for young children, and testing out exercise routines. 

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Kate and Doree switch up their skincare routines as the weather changes before culture writer and reporterStephanie McNeal joins them to chat about the perfect temperature for her beverages of choice, her new book Swipe Up For More: Inside the Unfiltered Lives of Influencers, and just what the deal with Mormon influencers is.

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Kate’s got a new hydrating face mist rec and Doree needs some new recipe for grab and go snacks. Then, they hear from listeners about eclipse transformations, double cleansing techniques, and their best UPF clothing recs. 

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Kate and Doree consider what it takes to get digitally sorted and hear from listeners about their best tips for getting rid of their overflowing inboxes and phone photos. 

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Kate and Doree ponder the social definition of aesthetic, and then author Elissa Sussman (Funny You Should Ask, Once More With Feeling) joins them to talk about navigating career highs while dealing with personal lows, elevating your community after going viral on BookTok, and using romance writing as a platform for teaching and talking about sex. 

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