Till Death Do Us Part Podcast

Join the MacArthur's as they slip into their Delorian, accelerate to 88 miles an hour, and head back in time to 1950's Los Angeles County. Listen as Melissa tells Daniel the very first murder conviction in the United States without a body. Corpus Delicti to be exact. Enjoy!
Case begins at 15:00

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A recent case straight out of England. Thank goodness for cold case investigators.

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When a body is found bloodied and bound, investigators must try to figure out if the killing was a sex game gone wrong or a staged scene trying to lead them away from the true killer.
Case begins at 15:00
We do recommend you listen to the factoids. It's our number 1 most requested topic: adult aerobics.

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The conclusion to a case out of Connecticut, 6 years in the making.
Normally Factoids are reserved for our regularly scheduled Till Death Do Us Part episodes, but Daniel blessed us all with some Factoids in this episode. Enjoy!
Case begins at 13:20

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The conclusion to the shooting of Billy Woodward, how Truman Capote and his “Swans” come into play, and Melissa tells Daniel how two past cases are connected to the players in this case.
Case begins at 6:00

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Here we go! The case getting a lot of new attention at the moment. Ever since Demi Moore graced the screen in the new season of Feuds: Capote vs The Swans playing the role of American socialite Ann Woodward.
Listen as Melissa tells Daniel what happened on the fateful morning of October 30th, 1955. Did Billy Woodward fall victim to a case of mistaken identity? Or was he killed as a means to an end.
Stay tuned for Part 2. This case is a bonified doozy.
Case begins at 11:00 - no Factoids again but we do share a book recommendation written by a friend of the podcast McCracken Poston Jr. "Zenith Man" tells the story of a case Melissa covered a long time ago. The case of Alvin and Virginia Ridley. One of the MacArthur's most favorite episodes and love stories.  

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Listen as Melissa tells Daniel another horrific case with seemingly no motive. Enjoy!
No Factoids in this episode because Daniel's one job was too much for him this week. Lol!!! Sorry to the 10 of you who adore his facts.

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*Before you listen, please remember that Melissa now knows which teams are playing in the 2024 Super Bowl and that one of them is from California. She apologizes for her ignorance in the matter.
Listen as Melissa tells Daniel the case of a tragic accident caused by a loving partner. But when a video is found of the incident it leaves investigators and anyone who sees it, speechless. Was this still a tragic accident or did someone snap?
Case begins at 15:00

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The conclusion to the case of Viki Lozano.

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You guys!! This case is insane.

Listen as Melissa tells Daniel details of a case that has rarely been covered by media outlets but has all the makings of a Lifetime movie. A woman is shot dead sitting in her own bed, found by her detective husband whose service weapon is lying next to her lifeless body. After investigators leave the scene questions finally begin to be asked. But were the doubts about the relationship and questions concerning the murder too little too late? Was this a case of an accidental shooting? Maybe a suicide? Or was this the final betrayal by a spouse who was never really "all in" on the marriage? Stay tuned for part 2.

Case begins at 9:35

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In 2009,  a gunshot was heard in a heavily wooded area in Starkville Mississippi, followed by someone yelling out, "Oh my God". When a body was found at the edge of a tree lined clearing, it did not take investigators long to track down their one and only suspect. But was the murderer the person who was eventually locked behind bars or would the defense prove the killing was done by someone else close to the victim? Someone who was not on trial? Listen and find out as Melissa tells Daniel the ends and outs of another case that is rarely talked about but asks the question, when you say amicable does it really mean amicable until there's a life insurance policy? 
Case begins at 15:00
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Oh Boy! In this palate cleanser episode Melissa tells Daniel all about chapter 8 of the book Till Death Do Us Part, called the Temper Tantrum Killer. This chapter features the case Melissa swore she would never do. That of the murder of Laci Peterson and her unborn son Connor. The million-dollar question always being, "Did Scott murder Lacey or was it all coincidence? Did he just happen to be at the wrong place at the wrong time?" Listen as the MacArthur's "armchair investigate" the circumstantial evidence. Good thing Daniel worked in the area at that time.  

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You did it! You made it 24 hours. Now hit play and listen as Melissa tells Daniel the conclusion of the tragic murder of "Sunshine Girl" Belinda Temple.
Who pulled the trigger? Was it really her husband or could it have possibly been someone else? An angry neighbor perhaps? Listen and find out. We dare you.
Case begins immediately. No time for Factoids. We have a case to solve.

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When an 8-month pregnant woman is found lying dead in her master closet, suspicion immediately falls on the one man who had the means and the opportunity to follow through with the horrific murder. But did he have a motive? Listen as Melissa takes Daniel through the ends and outs of the day leading up to the murder, the crime scene, and the relationship between the Temples. Was this young, middle-class, all-American family not as perfect as they appeared or was the victim murdered for being at the wrong place at the wrong time? Listen to part 1 and find out.
Case begins at 15:30

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Oh boy! Here we go again. Trying something new. Think of these bonus episodes as palate cleansers. These are 7 idiots who pretended to be kidnapped and then just expected everyone to believe their ridiculous stories.
We hope you enjoy.

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When a large car fire is spotted early one morning, firefighters quickly put out the blaze but are shocked by what they find in the trunk.

Listen as Melissa tells Daniel a case of manipulation and betrayal that could have been avoided had people spoken up and told the victim who exactly they were dating.

Which leaves you with the question; would you be honest and warn someone about a family member's volatile ways?

Case begins at 14:00  

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When the elderly spouse of a registered nurse is found dead in their bed, do you investigate further or just assume they passed away peacefully in their sleep? Listen as Melissa tells Daniel a case out of rural Kentucky. Where the convalescent homes outnumber the churches. This episode might leave you scratching your head and asking, "but why?".
We hope you enjoy.
Case begins at 12:00
*We completely forgot to do Patreon shoutouts for this episode. We will do double next episode.

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The MacArthur’s are giving you a sneak peak into their newest spin-off show called “To Have and To Kill” normally only available to Patreon subscribers (feel free to attack our character and our desire to formulate a little bit of an income). 
In this show Melissa tells Daniel cases of couples who murder… together. 
Episode 3 is that of the case of “The Lonely Hearts Killers” Raymond Fernandez and Martha Beck. This case is wild!
Since this is a Patreon spinoff we do not hold back as much so if we tend to “frustrate” you with our logical opinions on the facts of a case then you should probably move on. We are not changing for anybody. Call it our “Generation X” mentality or just plain stubbornness. You’ve been warned!

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In this episode Melissa continues her series from the book Till Death Do Us Part by Robbie Ludwig and Matt Birkbeck. Listen as Melissa does a deep dive into chapter 6 of the book called The Narcissistic Killer while Daniel listens impatiently for his turn to talk. The cases discussed within this chapter and the episode are Rabbi Fred and Carol Neulander and Gegg and Pamela Smart. We hope you enjoy!

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Daniel's still scratching his head over this one.

You know it's an interesting case when you have dueling forensic medical professionals, very little physical evidence, a voice from the grave, a 911 call that law enforcement deems overly dramatic, and a "swipe right" on a certain dating app. 

Did the victim die from and accidental fall? Or were they murdered? We have our opinions. Will yours be the same? Maybe not.

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Thank you to all who submitted stories. We will definitely be doing more of these. Happy Halloweiner!

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This Halloween, thirteen true crime podcasts (including us, Till Death Do Us Part Podcast)
come together to share dark and disturbing stories. From haunted houses to serial killers, these tales will send chills down your spine and keep you up at night. Join us for this special 2-part Halloween episode entitled “When Darkness Calls” as we explore the darkest corners of humanity. But be warned: these stories are not for the faint of heart. When darkness calls, how will you respond?

Listener discretion advised.

Podcasts are listed in order of appearance:
Part 1:
1) True Crime South Africa
2) True Crime Cat Lawyer
3) Private Dicks
4) Coffee and Cases
5) Teachers Talk Crime
6) Excuse me, That's Illegal
7) Fresh Hell Podcast

Part 2:
1) Twisted Travel and True Crime
2) Body To Burial
3) Till Death Do Us Part
4) Unethical
5) PNW Haunts & Homicides
6) True CrimeCast

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This Halloween, thirteen true crime podcasts (including us, Till Death Do Us Part Podcast)
come together to share dark and disturbing stories. From haunted houses to serial killers, these tales will send chills down your spine and keep you up at night. Join us for this special 2-part Halloween episode entitled “When Darkness Calls” as we explore the darkest corners of humanity. But be warned: these stories are not for the faint of heart. When darkness calls, how will you respond?

Listener discretion advised.

Podcasts are listed in order of appearance:
Part 1:
1) True Crime South Africa
2) True Crime Cat Lawyer
3) Private Dicks
4) Coffee and Cases
5) Teachers Talk Crime
6) Excuse me, That's Illegal
7) Fresh Hell Podcast

Part 2:
1) Twisted Travel and True Crime
2) Body To Burial
3) Till Death Do Us Part
4) Unethical
5) PNW Haunts & Homicides
6) True CrimeCast

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Listen as the MacArthur's take you for a walk down memory lane as Melissa tells Daniel a few of New Orleans most famous haunts. Including the legend of Julie, Pirates Alley, Lafitte's Blacksmith Shop Bar, and the LaLaurie Mansion. You might think you know the legends and the lore but having been on at least 10 Haunted History Tours of the French Quarter in the last 20 years, this dysfunctional couple might just have the inside scoop.
*** The purple drink is called a Voodoo Daquiri!!!***
PS- We talk about ourselves a lot in this episode. You've been warned!

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Listen as Melissa tells Daniel a case with 3 guilty convictions and multiple appeals. Should a letter from beyond the grave be admitted into evidence? Or do the words of the dead have no bearing?
Case begins at 14:30. Enjoy!

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Listen as Melissa tells Daniel the case that shook the early 2000's. Was this a case of self-defense or was the murder premeditated? You might come away changing your tune a few times. Daniel sure did.
Thank you to Kristy J. and Megan B. for the case recommendation.
Case begins at 9:00

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Listen as Melissa tells Daniel a case out of Italy. It may or may not have ties to the mafia? Shhh... And laugh as the two imbecilic MacArthur's try their hand at Italian.

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This case is insane! Enjoy!
Case begins at 11:00

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Surprise! It's us. Giving you up to date information (for 6pm on September 13th) of the manhunt and capture of Danelo Cavalcante. The story that has intrigued many for the last 13 days. 

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Listen as Melissa tells Daniel an oldie but goodie case with a nice ole reference to Sherlock Holmes.
Case begins at 11:45
Factoids are filled with lots of sexual inuendo's and copious amounts of annoying laughter by Melissa. You've been WARNED! 

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Melissa tells Daniel a case of love gone cold and what happens when rage turns to murder. Lots of banter in this one. Prepare yourselves! Lol
Case begins at 14:00

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This case is infuriating. Listen as Melissa tells Daniel the case of the “sleepwalking defense”. 
Case begins at 12:30

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On this episode Melissa tells Daniel a case that shakes the big island of Hawaii to its core. Leaving residents wondering, who killed Brittany and where the hell is Boaz?

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*if you are under the age of 18, or have a hard time listening to an old and dysfunctional married couple discuss sexual situations and use a bit of foul language, then this episode is not for you! Listen at your own risk.

Melissa tells Daniel part 2 of the horrific murder of Travis Alexander.

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In honor of 99 dysfunctional relationships covered, Melissa decided to finally tell Daniel the most requested true crime case from our 11 listeners. The case she’s dreaded from the beginning, the brutal murder of Travis Alexander by one of the most hated women in the world, Jodi Arias. She’s the worst!

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Introducing you to one of our spin-off shows The MacArthur Files. A new episode is available every month only on Patreon. If you’d like to help support our dysfunctional podcast and receive exclusive “patreon only” content, go to patreon.com and type in Till Death Do Us Part Podcast. And voila, you are there!

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Listen as Melissa tells Daniel about the case of a missing woman and the investigators who knew where she was but couldn’t seem to find her. Until they did.
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Case begins at 16:00
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When a prominent man in a small South Carolina town is brutally murdered, all signs point to an assailant with a deep rooted hate for this individual. But, with a suspicious witness, could the perpetrator be someone closer to home?
Listen as Melissa tells Daniel this incredibly sad case.
Case begins at 14:50
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When a woman is gunned down in a car park in small town Missouri, investigators are able to solve the crime in record time thanks to nosey neighbors, local witnesses, and above average police work.
Daniel was only confused twice. Win!!!

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Melissa finishes telling Daniel the cases of the "love killers" of Murderess Row living in Cook County jail in 1920's Chicago. The "Wild West of the Modern Era".
And ties it all together in one big shiny bow.
Pop, Six, Squish, Uh-Uh, Cicero, Lipschitz! 

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Listen as Melissa gives Daniel a little insight into the roaring 20's in good ole' Chicago.
Where the nights were longer, booze was flowing, and if you happened to murder your spouse or lover you could became front page news. That is until the next beautiful woman made herself a widow. 

Case starts around- 13:00

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The case 30 of you have been waiting for. You are welcome!
Brand spanking new information coming straight to you. Fasten your seatbelts, this rollercoaster of a case will have you wishing you took some Dramamine.

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Listen as Melissa tells Daniel a case of love in the second act of life. But when that new love is filled with red flags. Do you stay and try to work it out? Or do you leave? We say leave.

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Daniel’s never heard a case like this before. In 1935, when forensics was in its infancy,  new techniques were developed for one specific case in hopes of putting the right person behind bars. But did they commit the atrocious act? Or was the evidence swayed to put an innocent  spouse behind bars?
Case begins- 12:40

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Our Patreons voted and chose to share with you the 3rd installment of our Patreon exclusive "Betrayed" episode. Featuring the marriage and ultimate betrayal of George and Dorothy Cascone. We hope you enjoy.

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Join Daniel as Melissa tells him the sensational story of the "Woman in the Barrel".
Shoutouts are at the end of this episode because we got in an argument in the beginning and completely forgot.  We suck at this! Lol
Case begins at- 14:00

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Here we go again! A case like no other.  Word to the wise, never tell your significant other how much your life insurance policy is really worth.
Case begins at 13:30

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In this dysfunctional episode Melissa tells Daniel all about The Black Widow Killer and her ability to, without notice, strike down her intimate partner for nothing other than money.
Melissa dives into a case of ultimate betrayal and leaves you asking, was it worth it? 

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Listen as Melissa tells Daniel the case that made national headlines in 2007. A missing 4th wife and the accidental death of a 3rd. Were the whispers through the suburban town of Bolingbrook Illinois true?  Was this not just coincidence? Did something much more sinister happen?
Case begins at 14:00

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Listen as Melissa tells Daniel the most requested case in the last few weeks. You are welcome!
Case begins at 15:00

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Melissa tells Daniel a case of murder straight out of Australia. Leaving Daniel to wonder, is the story believable and what would he have done in the same situation.
Listen and find out.
Factoids end around 14 minutes.

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Listen as Melissa tells Daniel all about the 2nd case used as an example in The Sociopathic Killer chapter in the book Till Death Do Us Part.

When a marriage is filled with lies and deceit, how far would someone go to keep their house of cards from crumbling? 

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In this episode Melissa tells Daniel all about The Sociopathic Killer from the book Till Death Do Us Part.
The case featured in this chapter leaves Daniel very heated. No apologies. His anger is real and raw. And so will you after you hear this horrific case.

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When it’s love at first sight, does it always mean forever.

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When a 41-year marriage ends in murder, could it really have been the spouse? Or was it somebody else? Perhaps someone with more of a motive?

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Join Melissa as she tells Daniel about two recent cases that will lead to some interesting banter and conversation. What would you do if you were faced with this same choice? Especially if it had to do with your significant other. In sickness and in health.

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In 1985, Gail Beirenbaum went missing from her upper east side Manhattan apartment in broad daylight. Had Gail walked away from her seemingly perfect life with her seemingly perfect doctor husband? Or did something much more sinister happen?

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Join Daniel as Melissa tells him all about The Control Killer from the second chapter of the book titled ‘Till Death Do Us Part’.
The Control Killer features the 2003 case of Tacoma Washington’s chief of police and the wife he tried to control, even into death.

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The MacArthur's decided to release an Afternoon Delight that has only been available, until now, on our Patreon. 
When a vacation turns into murder... again.
*Trigger Warning- we talk about traveling a lot in this episode.

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Welcome to another addition of Afternoon Delight. In this episode Melissa tells Daniel of a case that has just hit the news outlets. 
When an up-and-coming Colombian DJ is found brutally murdered, only one person could be at fault, her American boyfriend.

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When the body of a woman was found lying on the floor of her home with a gunshot wound to her temple, Investigators immediately believe that they are dealing with a possible suicide. But after taking a closer look at the evidence it was clear that foul play was involved and that the murderer was an IDIOT! 
Listen as Melissa tells Daniel about a case where the red flags in a relationship just happen to lead police straight to the killer.

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On May 5th 2004, a young boy spotted a dark green suitcase floating in the waters of Chesapeake Bay. What was found in that suitcase shocked a nation. Join Daniel as Melissa tells him a case built on almost all circumstantial evidence. Which might leave you with more questions than answers.

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We'd Love to introduce you to our fellow podcasting friends Randy and Megan, who have been married forever, and their friend John. We were invited on their show in April of 2022, where Melissa discussed the Keith and Sherri Papini case. 

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We decided it was time to do a series. Once a month we will be diving into the personality of a killer. But not just any killer, a man or woman who has murdered their significant other. Join us, the MacArthur's, as we dive into the mind of the Betrayal/Abandonment killer and relive two of our old cases.

David and Clara Harris- Episode 3
Dan and Betty Broderick- Episode 38 and 39

Our one and only source: Till Death Do Us Part- Love, Marriage, and the Mind of the Killer Spouse.   Written by, Dr. Robi Ludwig and Matt Birkbeck

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Happy New Year! 1st episode for 2023, Melissa tells Daniel a case from 2020 with a few twists and turns and of course, murder. Let us know what you think.

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Join Daniel as Melissa tells him a case that takes place in beautiful Australia. Would a wife and mother just up and disappear and only leave a note? Most would think not.  

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On this episode of an Afternoon Delight, Melissa tells Daniel two cases of love gone horrifically wrong within 2022. One case has been resolved and one case has just begun. 

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In 2006, in Cleveland Ohio, a young man is rushed to the hospital with extreme back pain. Believing it to be kidney stones, medical staff are shocked when 8 hours later he has died from kidney failure. Listen as Melissa tells Daniel about a case that went cold for more than 6 years. Did the state have enough circumstantial evidence for a jury to convict? Or will you be as shocked as Daniel by the outcome of this crazy case. Listen and find out.
If you are enjoying our show, please leave us a kind review and or follow us on Instagram at Till Death Do Us Part Podcast.

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We as a society tend to take in limited information and immediately make a judgement and or an opinion. Join Daniel as Melissa tells him a case that might make a person question their judgement. In 1997, the body of a woman who had not been seen in decades was found in the company of her husband in the town of Ringgold Geogia. Was this a case of captivity turned murder or a misunderstood love story? 


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Are you ready? The crazy conclusion to the murder of Dr. Felix Polk and the first-degree murder trial of his wife of over 20 years, Susan Polk.

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In 2002, when a prominent Bay Area psychologist is found dead in his pool house under “unnatural” causes, a web of toxic history begins to unravel. Join Daniel as Melissa tells him the ends and outs of one of the most dysfunctional marriages of the 20th century. Even crazier than the Broderick marriage. Now that’s saying a lot! Stay tuned for part 2.

No factoids in this one! Boohoo

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In 2013, in the city of Germantown Tennessee, Heather Palumbo Jones didn't show up to her job as a kindergarten teacher.  Knowing what a nightmare Heather’s contentious divorce had become; her co-workers immediately knew who the police should be questioning; her rat faced loser of a husband Chris. Could Heather have simply left town? Leaving her two beautiful children behind. Or had Chris finally snapped and turned his stalking into something more evil?

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Listen as Melissa tells Daniel about a recent case of love gone horrifically wrong. This story unfolded only 2 weeks ago. Way too soon for a Dateline episode.

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With this episode, Melissa tells Daniel a case of love turned obsession, turned murder. But the murder wasn’t committed out of hate or betrayal, it was done out of love? Confused? Listen and find out all the dysfunctional details Melissa could muster.  Oh, and the word “penis” is said about 100 times. Enjoy!

Case begins around the 12:00 mark.

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When a seemingly perfect traditional marriage ends in murder, it begs the question, did everyone just miss the signs?

The case begins at 11:00- after factoids

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Melissa tells Daniel a story straight out of Nashville where the country music dreams can sometimes turn sinister.

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Listen as Melissa tells Daniel the case of what initially looked like a tragic accident but what ultimately came down to the question, “How the heck did she end up in the water?”.
Case begins at 11:00

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 Most men just want peace and quiet while taking an afternoon nap in their easy chair. Poor Jerry got his wish. In this episode Melissa tells Daniel about a second chance at love that ultimately turns fatal.

For that one person who hates factoids the case begins at- 11:00

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Welcome to the most requested case by our 11 listeners. You're welcome.
Melissa finally tells Daniel about the case that dominated the news feeds earlier this year (2022).  When the wife writes an essay titled 'How to Murder Your Husband' how could she not be the murderer? Or can her unfortunate body type be the key to unlocking the mystery? Let us Know.

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Ready to take a trip back in time? Join Daniel as Melissa dusts off the old flux capacitor and gets their old 2011 suburban up to 88 miles per hour and lands in the 1800’s. Just in time for the California silver mining boom. 

Case begins at 8:25. You’re welcome!

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This case is heartbreaking on so many levels. 
How can a love so new turn so evil so quickly? 

The case of Tony and Lilius Landrum Smith begins at -10:00

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When the perfect honeymoon destination turns into a living nightmare.

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This might be one of the dumbest husbands we’ve ever had the privilege of covering. Another murder that has you scratching your head and saying, “but why though”? Divorce is always the better option.
Upper Peninsula where you at?

Melissa’s case begins - 10:00

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Join Daniel as Melissa tells him a case that is unfolding as we speak

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Melissa tells Daniel a case filled with lust, greed, and sibling rivalry that leaves you wondering, was the guilty person prosecuted? Or did the town gossip put an innocent resident behind bars?

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Another murder on the high seas, but this one will have you scratching your head and saying “what”?

Daniel has factoids about the origins of common sayings - 1:49
The Poisoners Cabinet ad-  11:00
The case of Scott and Karen Waltz Roston- 11:55

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In this episode Melissa tells Daniel a case out of picture perfect Vermont. Where a tragic accident turns into to something much more sinister. Moral of the story,  keep your big mouth shut!  
*Be warned, we talk about movies a lot in this one.

Annoying banter at the beginning… again!
Daniel has bird factoids- 3:36
Conspiracy Couple Ad-15:40
The case of Charlie and Christine Billis- 16:30

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Just when you thought it was safe to go for a walk in the park with your spouse. Melissa tells Daniel a tragic case from one of the most affluent zip codes in the US. 

5:10-  Daniel has factoids
16:00- Ad for Military Murder Podcast
17:00- The case of Dirk and May Greineder

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On the small exclusive island of Nantucket, a beautiful woman was murdered. This shattered the typically safe feeling of the residents where most leave their doors and windows unlocked. Could she have been murdered by a stranger or someone she knew?

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In celebration of Till Death Do Us Part Podcast’s first year , Melissa takes Daniel back to where it all started, New Orleans.  But, as we have been saying over the last 12 months, divorce is always a better option to murder. However, some spouses don't seem to agree. 

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Our dream was to retire to a nice group home, but Daniel is having second thoughts after this case.

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When Pottstown’s most famous son is brutally murdered and placed in the backseat of his car, is his soon to be ex-wife the murderer, the mastermind, or simply an innocent spouse.

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In 2008, the body of Jan Roseboro was found floating facedown in her backyard pool in the rural Amish county of Lancaster, Pennsylvania.  Was Jan’s death an accident? Caused by a heart attack? Could Jan have been brutally robbed and murdered while star gazing for nothing more than a ring and a watch? Or, was Jan killed by someone she knew and trusted? Someone she promised to love, honor and cherish for the rest of her life? You be the judge. 

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Who murdered Betty Gore? The conclusion that will leave you saying “what the heck just happened?”

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In the year 1980, a brutal murder rocked the small town of Wylie, Texas and threw the good people of this rural community into a media firestorm. Listen as Melissa tells Daniel part 1 of this soon-to-be famous case once more. You can thank Hulu for that.  
*If you are only listening to part 1 you are doing yourself a disservice.  Part 2 continues the case and wraps it all up.

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When a hunting trip in Newfoundland goes horrifically wrong, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police decide the evidence points to an accident. But Melissa let’s Daniel in on the secrets of the not-so-perfect marriage. Does the evidence only point to accidental death or could this case be considered the “most perfect murder”?

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Back in the “good old days”, women were not allowed on juries and stretching of the truth can become a legend. Melissa dives deep into the lore of "Bec's hole" straight out of South Carolina. Daniel doesn’t hold back much either.

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Wanna go for a hike? Melissa takes Daniel way up North to the Upper Peninsula of Michigan to beautiful Pictured Rocks National Lakeshore. Melissa dives into the first known case of a death caused by a fall from the sandstone cliffs. Was it a horrific and tragic accident? Was it the act of suicide? Or was it MURDER?!!! Take a listen and follow along with our resident pessimist.
PS- Daniels factoids have to do with adult aerobics positions. You’ve been warned.

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